I was going to open this post with a quote from someone famous saying that the novel is dead, and then give the date of that quote. It was going to be funny, because they said it a long time ago. But I can't find it.
Before I start, I wanted to address that I completely forgot a very important novel a few posts back, when talking about product placement in fiction. Delillo's White Noise, is a constant stream of products. He invents products to place. It drives the reader mad. But that's the whole point of the book.
A corollary to all rules in literature is that they can be broken if breaking them is the point of the work.
I wrote a paper or two on White Noise. I think I mentioned here before that reading it was epiphanic for me. It shoved my nose in consumer culture until I was choking on it, and I came very close to stepping back and going it alone, quitting my job, living in a shack, you know the drill. Because it made the life most of us live look so trivial. Which it is.
What I wanted to show you was this. If I've got the story straight, Zachary German is or was a 19 year old when he wrote the linked stuff. It's being published by FSG--if you're unfamiliar, they're big. And he has a blog titled "Every Time a Police Officer Gets Shot I Throw a Party." Which makes me want to beat the piss out of him.
Eat, which is how I'll abbreviate it, reads like Tao Lin and Noah Cicero, both of whom I've mentioned before. I don't know if this is the new shit, I don't know if one person started it and the others followed suit or if they pulled some morphic field crap and it hit them all at once. But I'm tired of it already.
Tao Lin had a few good pieces. I can't stand to read his blog because he seems full of himself and when he wants to say that he or someone else wrote something he says they "typed" it. Which is literally true, yes. But it's also annoying.
What I read of Cicero's was garbage. So's the linked excerpt of German's. I'll give German that he can do dialogue. He's not bad at that, but most young people aren't.
All three of these writers seem to think that writing like a comatose Hemingway about being naked and eating organic food means something. It doesn't. I get that you're sad. I got that Robert was sad the first time he did nothing but stay in his room and take off his clothes and masturbate after getting dressed. You're not even being edgy, at this point. This is emo-edgy. Navel-gazing edgy. If you want to write about a loser, that's okay. But write about a loser doing something.
Granted, I haven't read all of Eat, and just a little bit of Cicero, but I couldn't find anything for the chaff. Tao Lin has some good pieces. And some of it is right with these guys. Deadpan description of licking a girl's nipples. Okay. But you've not actually brought anything to light. That's erotica. Bad erotica. It's not literature.
Sorry. I'm getting carried away.
We're going to see a lot of stuff like this, I'm willing to bet. Not a ton, but a lot. People who think that the world is their therapist, and they should write like a ten year old about their feelings. That's where we're headed. Good ol' Generation Y. Feed me organic vegan food and fill my prescription.
It's been my quasi-belief that no matter who you are and how good you've got it, you're life is filled with difficulty. And life is subjective, such that Paris Hilton's life is as hard as mine is as hard as a Darfur refugee. Hear me out. Each of us have our own problems. Because of perspective, each of our own problems is going to seem mountainous at times, and other's will seem small. Problems that we see as huge are small to others. That's just the nature of our vision.
Now, however, when it seems like the rest of the world is holding that same belief...I'd like to give it up. Renege it. Because I can't live thinking that way, that people eking out existence in an alleyway somewhere are having the same time of it as the people at the top of the hill. It makes my life easier, because I can feel better in the belief that no one's life is as bad as it seems, because mine is pretty good. And that's, simply, bullshit. I'm beginning to wonder if everything about postmodernism is a little off. Not just the postmodernists.
So, back on track. Even without the terrible, flatlined, deadpan, Hemingway-warmed-over style, the subject matter of this trio is still missing. Cormac McCarthy said that if it's not about life and death, he doesn't understand it. I don't know if I'm that strict, because I can live with a story about the nuances of emotion, but these stories read partly like a psychiatrist's recommendation and partly like a wet dream. And that I can't tolerate.
I'd like to know what you think.
And, also, part of my ire is jealousy. It's also frustration. I won't hide that fact.
Maybe next time I'll pick on the Kite Runner. Big ideas, little writing.
Monday, April 7, 2008
The Future of Literature
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86 kicked up the dust:
I didn't get very far in EAT, as you so wittingly coined it. I write short sentences once and a while on my blog for emphasis; but that? was annoying.
I agree with the 'everybody has it tough' thought-process. I often say it really wouldn't matter if we had more money because it doesn't matter what you're digits are, you're going to spend what you make: The 'toys' are be indicative of your income.
try this experiment: show an example of this kind of writing to someone over 30. (someone who is not pathetically trying to be up on the 'coolest' stuff).
they will say it is 'unreadable.'
or, if they have kids, they will say it is about as interesting as what their own kids write or the music they make or the drawings they create.
it's childish stuff. to anyone with a real job, a marriage, a mortgage, adult concerns, it's just silly and stupid.
compare it to junot diaz's "drown" which came out when he was 23. he was young but the book is still worth reading, is taught in high schools and colleges, and it interests people of all ages. no wonder diaz won the pulitzer prize today for his first novel.
other writers, like sherman alexie or zz packer, also have published young, writing about young people but not just young people.
and the young people are not overprivileged, bored, narcissistic, solipsistic like the writers you mention.
they are the future of literature for maybe the next year. essentially they are YA novels. 'young adults' used to mean older teens. today it means people in their 20s who are still not really adults.
give these books to a person who's 21 or 22 and living in a ghetto or on a farm or in the army or working all day and then going to college at night -- and they will get annoyed as someone older. that is because life has made them more mature.
i do think cicero is different from lin and german. he may not be a great writer, but he is not overprivileged and he does not seem as annoying and arrogant.
if german and lin write that sort of crap when they're 30, not to mention even older, they will be ridiculed.
imagine if a 40yo guy wrote that kind of stuff. you'd think he was developmentally disabled.
so these books only appeal to a small segment of a very specific generation who will grow out of this childish stuff and move on to more adult stuff.
maybe writers like lin and german can grow into adults. but they seem to think they are already adults which they are not.
as you say, some of their work has merit but their appeal is very, very limited and i doubt they will be able to find publishers 5 years from now as a new younger generation finds them annoyingly passe.
I haven't read EAT, but maybe I'll give it a try.
Everyone does spend in a way that pushes the boundaries of their financial ability to do so. If I spent the way I do, with the same income I secure working part time, living on my own, I'd be homeless. A chunk goes to transport, gym etc and I'm left with a bit more to spend - and I do, on clothes/accessories and nightlife.
This is the result of a generation that thinks everything is about them. Now, my father and I never get along, but if there’s one thing he taught me, its that nothing is about you; the world’s orbit and focus is not centered around you; natura non contristatur , the natural world is not compassionate. The first symptom is that these people think they are so important, and therefore anything that they have to say is god’s gift to the world.
But I think this is the bigger part; you know how little kids, and now-a-days, older kids think everything is theirs? How they ‘deserve’ all sorts of things just because they live and suck oxygen out of the air? That’s reflected in their books. The characters do nothing, because there is nothing to do. All the battles are won and all the problems solved- they ‘deserve’ everything, and therefore the world is their playground in which they can do nothing as they see fit.
Most of all, I think the specific words are meaningless; it’s the fact that they all have no deeper thought, yet try to have meaning is the purpose of these books. They all prove that life is banal for these people who already think the world is theirs for the taking, and that all they have to do is reach out and grab it.
Bah, they make me angry.
YES! Continue! Do not stop! The movements of tao lin and noah cicero and zach german and all the rest of them is enough to start a rebellion. I would be interested to know what you thought of the satire of German's book up at www.bore-parade.blogspot.com , It is called drink and you'll feel fucking great.
I've got to back up the person who talked about Diaz, Packer and Alexie. They wrote great fiction that did more than just treat the world as a confessional, they wrote of an experience they wanted to share.
This is why I find the memoir and the autobiography to be tricky. Things don't have to be factual, they just have to be "true."
When people write about the world and use it as a crutch to blame their problems on everyone but themselves, think of their literature as the person--you wouldn't bear to be in the same room with them for long, yes? Well their writing will fade as these type of people do.
Take Runyon's "The Burn Journals" He writes of when he was an angsty youth, but he owns up to it. He explains that he cannot fully understand why he felt that way, but he did. And he ends up writing from a more progressive instead of a "pity me" point of view. He wrote to share his story--not as a mode of trying to get the word to pat him on his back and tell him "it's ok."
But hey, literature will never be dead. There's something about the book that's sort of mystical in a sense. Knowledge packed together in one easy to carry bundle. It's like a laptop that doesn't need batteries.
The world can never take that away.
Are you sure that Farrar, Straus & Giroux is actually publishing Zachary German's blog? He's claimed it and Tao Lin's claimed it, but Lin is a notorious liar -- or perhaps a compulsive one -- as well as a self-admitted shoplifter, which he justifies on the basis of liberating goods from evil corporations or something.
It's all about selfishness. And there's a backlash brewing against this kind of writer. You can bet each of Tao Lin's new books will sell less and less because while people found him interesting at first, now he's just an incredible bore. All his blog posts are about himself. He's a careerist.
Some people who know him say that he has some kind of autism, like maybe Asperger's syndrome, which makes him unable to function well but gives him this single-minded focus to do nothing but "get ahead". He is really no different than greedy Wall St. types and CEOs who care nothing for anyone. As he's mentioned, his father was sent to federal prison for bilking investors in his company (he pled guilty to fraud) out of millions of dollars.
Sorry to get personal, but this goes back to your post about how hard people have it.
Lin's work shows no feeling for people, and I think that's his fatal flaw. German is just an imitator. There are lots of moronic teenagers writing pseudo-Tao Lin prose all over the place.
As someone else said above, this is a generational phenomenon that isn't even that: it's high school kids who are mopey and overprivileged rich college kids and grads who believe that being vegan and "indie" makes them morally superior to everyone else.
Lin's knowledge of literature is extremely limited. He knows about 6 or 7 writers who he reads over and over again. He doesn't seem curious about the world or the wide variety in it. You're not going to catch him reading Cormac McCarthy. He's probably never heard of him.
So I wouldn't envy these guys. They're horrible writers and not very good human beings either. And like I said, I'll believe FSG is publishing German's book when I see it online somewhere other than a blog by German, Lin or their little followers.
Wow, what a showing. What vein did I hit that caused all of you to pop up?
Donna: I always question myself when buying "toys," saying it'd be better to have that $20 in my wallet, but when I look back, and say, well, if I hadn't bought that CD, I know I'd have just bought another one. What are you gonna do?
Eloise: I live with an ex-soldier, and he's less mature than me. (He served in both recent Operations.) So I wonder about that. Otherwise, loved your response.
Also probably agree with you on Cicero, at least ego-wise. He didn't seem so bad. His writing (I read a bit about people in an asylum) was really pretty bad, though.
Adaora: Don't bother. It's really not worth the click.
Vic: Great comment. I feel the same way. Maybe I'll get on my high horse again soon and discuss your slice a little more.
Mike: Thanks for coming. You seem very familiar. And I won't stop. I'm like a machine. A machine that doesn't stop.
I'll look up the parody in a bit and get back to you. Tao Lin was parodied too, wasn't he? "I'm a Little Bit Happier Than Tao Lin?"
Noel: So glad you came by again. I'm afraid I can't chime in on Diaz or the others, only to say that, if you haven't heard, Diaz recently won an award for "Wao." I really, really need to start reading some newer authors. But I've got a ton of older stuff to plow through yet.
I'm torn between buying tiny paperbacks and hardcovers, because I love stuffing books in my back pocket, but I love having books in pristine condition on my shelf. I guess that's sort of a cliche either way, isn't it? The pseudo-literati with Salinger in his pocket?
Neon Bible (wasn't that an Indie band album?): No, I'm not sure, and I'd be very, very happy if it was false. That's sort of mean, though.
On a side note, I think I love you.
Wow, thanks again to all who stopped by.
Great post...your rant was fab. I read some of German's stuff--that's what I'm calling it, "stuff". The fluff that stuffs hollow things & holes.
I'm not going to bring age into it b/c I don't think immaturity is his problem & I don't think growing up will necessarily cure him. It's crap. Every writer creates some crap...sometimes he knows it at the time & sometimes he has to move away from it before he realizes. German has decided to make crap, and I'd guess he's banking on the idea his choice to work in shit is more clever than anything he fears he can't produce along a more authentic route. It's a form of creative suicide that inherits so many problems--somewhere down the line he might want to write something earnest & aside from a writer's usual dance with the devil, he's going to be wondering if the work he really wants to make could ever compare to the fame he gained as an idiot.
Writers aren't different from anyone else in the sense that as you get older you can add to your bag of mad skills, and that can participate in the creation of works you weren't capable of at a prior time. You can also burn out, go blind, get brittle, lose touch, etc. So one thing is always true, whether you're 19 or 70--you have what you have to work with, and it's on you to work it within range.
About your other thoughts...I do think all of life is difficult, but it depends on the person if he's going to experience it that way, and how much...I don't think of this as your mountain-molehill scenario, but the actual capacity for emotion, the breadth of thought. To me it's less about have & have-not, and more about qualitative value. Some of the happiest people I know are protected from complication by their own stupidity...on the flip side, an existentialist can Hamlet himself to hell in the midst of an otherwise charmed life. Those are the clearest cases, but I find it applies to the vast grays in between.
Some people thrive on what kills others.
And that is why I love you.
I'm cranking the more emotional scale of living as my new arbiter. Still subjective, but subject to emotion, like you said. I have my Hamlet days.
Eric, I think you misunderstood my statement:
I, for one, am a firm believer you should spend the money you make - you can't take it with you. I simply believe those with a higher income still manage to be just as broke because their 'toys' are a bit more expensive.
However, that completely takes the discussion down another dusty path than the rest of your commenter; unfortunately, I'm out of the loop and am embarrassed to say I don't know any of the authors you have mentioned. Guess I've been tucked into the country a bit long. (Although, I still didn't enjoy the two pages of EAT that I managed to suffer through.)
Here's a post from Zachary German's blog commenting on the author Rick Moody and the comments he received:
>02 April 2008
rick moody sucks, yeah yeah
>i forget
>i think something smells weird in my apartment or something
>i hear weird sounds all the time
>i think this might be it
>if you know what i mean
at 11:58 PM
6 comments:
Anthony Joseph said...
> wussup!
> just returning the greeting.
> i like this poem. i think
April 3, 2008 12:32 AM
Tonyoneill said...
> zach - i am reading lots of >old entries on your blog today.
> i haven't been on here for a > while. i really enjoy the title of > your blog, it makes me smile
> every time it comes up on my
> computer screen.
> i like this entry a lot, and i > am enjoying the entries from 'eat > when you feel sad'
> i liked the section which
> referenced the smiths songs,
> because you referenced probably
> my 2 favorite smiths songs which > was spooky.
April 4, 2008 11:59 AM
Catherine Lacey said...
> I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.
April 6, 2008 8:29 AM
jillian said...
> hrr, yes
April 6, 2008 6:42 PM
math t said...
> pleasureiseasy.info
> updated just4u dude
> xox, math+"
You're going to tell me Farrar, Straus & Giroux would publish a moron like this guy?
BTW, Tony O'Neill (who smiles every time he thinks that German throws a party every time a cop gets shot) is another one of these crappy writers who's got a book out about his boring life.
If this is "the future of literature," then I'm the queen of Pakistan.
Donna: No, I was just a little off in my own world.
Eloise: Trust me, I'm right there with you. I'll be living in my oft-referred to shack.
Mike: Ha! I hadn't realized it was you, wrote the parody. My hat's off to you.
stop talking shit about writers who are fucking great!!!
like heres an interview with zach which shows how brilliant he is compared to you-
http://ken-baumann.blogspot.com/2007/12/interview-with-zachary-german.html
listen up losers!! to a genious:
Do you think that there should be more books written about young people doing normal things while bored or indifferent?
Z: Yes. Tao Lin's Eeeee Eee Eeee and Noah Cicero's The Human war are two recent examples of this type of novel. They make the world seem easier to understand, but not in a numbing way, like after you smoke marijuana. After I read Eeeee Eee Eeee I wanted to eat good food and clean my house and take a long bike ride. I'm not sure if that is the usual response. I'm not sure how I should answer a question that starts with "Do you think that there should be...". I think I would be happier if there were more books like that. I'm not sure. Maybe there are already a lot of books like that that I just don't know about. I think young people would be happier or more productive or some other version of the abstraction "good" if they read books about young people doing normal things while bored or indifferent. I hope I have managed to answer your question at least once.
K: I feel like you have. After I read Eeeee Eee Eeee I took pictures of things in my kitchen and looked at them and felt proud of the pictures. I also felt like talking to people honestly. Your reaction sounds like a "good" one, too.
You are writing a novel, I think. When you are done writing your novel, what will you do with it?
Z: Currently, a five thousand word excerpt from my novel is in submission status at an online publication. Right now I have written between fifteen and twenty thousand words total. When I have written twenty five thousand to thirty thousand words, I will show it to my friends who are published and hope that they will make it be published too.
--see he is a genious unlke you
stop talking shit about tao too
You misspelled genius.
In defense of the Rick Moody post, it was actually a reference to a post that I made about Rick Moody's absence at a panel he agreed to speak on.
I'm glad you came to the defense of the other side, because I don't like it when I just get a gang together who agree with me. It's good for the ego, not so much for the learning.
However, I wouldn't call the "Rick Moody post" a post at all. You defended his subject line, sure. And I can sympathize with subject itself.
I would really love it, if you've got the time and will, to make a defense for German and etc. See if someone who actually enjoys their writing (do you? What I've read of you doesn't read like them) has some useful divination.
Catherine, who lists herself as "Tao Lin Intern #6," wrote this on the event at Columbia where Rick Moody didn't show up:
"Most of the audience were MFA students, past, present and future, (In case you're wondering, no one mentioned Tao Lin, who actually got up and left before the thing even started. Thanks, Tao.)"
Why would anyone mention Tao Lin? He's just a kid who is not reviewed in the major places books are reviewed like the New York Times Book Review and Washington Post Book World. He has not received any major or minor awards. He's not an academic. He's someone who shoplifts and advises other people to do the same. He is someone who is constantly asking for money on his website, decorating it with dollar signs. He is important only in his own mind and in the mindless people who style themselves (what aspiring writer in her right mind would just associate herself with one 24-yo writer as his "intern #6?).
a couple of other commenters mentioned Alexie, Diaz and Packer, writers who published their first books at 22 or 23.
a story Alexie published at 23
a review of a book Packer published at 23
a review of a book Diaz published at 23
Now you may not care for any of them but they were doing much, much more mature and worthwhile stuff than Zachary German, Tao Lin or Noah Cicero are doing at around the same age. No?
There's no need to critique someone here outside of their writing. I shouldn't have made mention of attitudes carried on blogs, honestly, because I've said myself that they can convey little of truth about a person.
I appreciate the comment. I haven't read those authors mainly because of time and my very specific taste. I'll look into them--and even without reading, I'll take your word that they're doing more mature work than the subjects of my post.
Not worth it? Alright then, I'll have saved my money and my time. Thanks hun.
i like tao's writing a lot
i like tao lin's writing a lot too. also, i am overprivileged. i enjoyed reading all these people's comments
I'm also a fan of tao's writing. maybe it is because i am '23' and not 'mature.' i am okay with that.
i hope i can one day be famous enough to have people talk shit about me.
Matthew: I like some of his stuff, too. Just not all of it. And what I don't like, I really don't like.
Anna: Thank you for not being negative.
Brandi: That's a good outlook to have.
Daniel: Me too.
this critical blog is called MY HEART'S PORCH
that's all.
Packer and Smith and Diaz all wrote their first novels and stories about worlds that were exotic to American readers, and it’s fair enough that the movement that follows them 10 years later has a different, internal style. (It’s also different from the Gen-X pack of Wallace, Coupland, and Saunders.) Just as there are lasting and temporary writers of any movement (dirty realism, metafiction, multicultural fiction), the same will be true of the class of 2008.
Is literature about the mundane a reaction to literature that focuses on the exotic? I’ve been a fan of a number writers who seem like predecessors to this current pack – Lydia Davis and Stephen Dixon both have novels and extraordinary short stories that focus more on thought processes than external events. Mark Halliday has done this as well with some deliberately clumsy and confessional poems that take “confessional” or “personal” poetry to a new level. Bukowski wrote like this as well, in a style that is the predecessor to daily bloggers. I’m glad Davis and Dixon have been discovered and published by McSweeney’s and Melville House, and I’m glad to spend some time reading writers who are influenced by them.
Does a writer need to be a good listener or observer, or is one’s own thought process enough to create a good essay, story, or poem?
I’m guessing that the lasting writers of this new generation will be the ones who are observant and empathic beneath their prose style.
Dixon, Davis, and Halliday have found ways to continue in their very internal style into their fifties, probably from a combination of discipline and observation. Some writers who had breaks early in their careers in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s went on to write and publish for decades, and many did not. I’m sure the same will be true of this decade. (I’m sure there are many who were jealous of David Lipsky when the New Yorker published his short story “Four Thousand Dollars” while he was still in college in the mid-1980s, but that didn’t lead to a lasting career in fiction.)
When we look back at this decade as the one in which torture was legal for a short period of time in the U.S. and we ran up tremendous debt (personally and nationally) in a way that will change our quality of life for the coming decade, it may be shocking to find that we were all so detached from the events that moved our collective fate. Did the Internet and maintenance of our on-line lives help this to happen, or is it that we haven’t been required yet to make personal sacrifices? Were we disconnected from the larger events of the world and fought back by making the mundane details of our own lives important?
Blake: Thanks for reminding me.
FF: Such comments, I imagine, rarely grace any blog, let alone mine. Thanks very much for that.
I've thought about the generational aesthetics, how, if the three mentioned here are indicative, we're turning inward, to the plain, mundane... and I imagine my tastes run with the older generations. May be an idea to expand upon later.
http://noah-cicero.blogspot.com/2008/04/someone-shit-talked-me.html
i replied back
Blake Butler said:
"this critical blog is called MY HEART'S PORCH
that's all"
Yes.
I hope everyone here spends hours a day thinking about literature and blogs and criticism.
"maybe it is because i am '23'"
hah
i like this
Ahem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoQOj5sSy-c
-The Golden Bear
(...thegoldenbear!)
P.S. http://bore-parade.blogspot.com
a fellow quirk-whimsy bloglit hater of mine pointed me to this post, which is incidentally a long and more well thought out version of a post i wrote i think on the same day. it seems like people with taste are starting to rise up.
"And, also, part of my ire is jealousy. It's also frustration. I won't hide that fact."
Ire is a strong word. It seems like if you truly found these writers to be irrelevant than you wouldn't care about them one way or another.
Eric, why are you jealous of these writers? Why are you frustrated with them? What is the root of your aggression?
If you're such a purist, you should know that art is about art, not ego.
Your time is a commodity. During the time you spent writing this post, you instead could have been creating some of your own art, instead of hatin' (and no matter how much you try to explain yourself, this post if full of hatred and aggression, as are many of the responses ...except for the ones i imagine are posted under fake names by tao and his interns in which they pretend to agree with you and you naively thank them for agreeing with you in later comments.)
That being said, I'll restrain my initial feelings of aggression toward your aggression, and go back to writing.
YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. AT ALL. IN YOUR WHOLE 22 YEARS OF LIVING. SIT DOWN AND WRITE A BOOK. PLEASE. DO IT. FUCK. FUCK YOU. GROW UP. YOU DON'T HAVE TO 'BE' ANYTHING. EAT A DICK.
Ken: I hope you find more to do with your day than spending time posting irrelevant comments on blogs.
Colin: Good for you. Let's all like things. I like things.
G Bear: Truly you are a fearsome NWO champion. I can only wish that you never come down from your cloud to trounce me.
Captain: I replied to said post. I liked it. I think. Maybe I didn't. I feel sick. Maybe I don't.
Wolves: They can't be irrelevant, and I didn't deem them so. This post was, ostensibly, at least, about the impact such writers will have on literature in years to come.
I was jealous of German for what now seems to be a complete lie. Who wouldn't be? I'd love to be published by FSG.
Any time you let art spill from your lips it is tainted. I don't talk about art in such a way. It's only holy in your head.
I know the folks who posted here, before the latter comments. They're good people. I imagine they have less ill will towards the three writers than I do.
Justin: Thanks for the advice. I did write a book. I'm trying to get it published. I'm writing a second book, too.
By the way, I think your caps lock key is broken. It seems like your razor might be broken, too. And you're inside. You can take your sunglasses off now.
I had a well thought out, intelligent response to this...but, at some point the Mom in me kicked in and that flew out the window.
EAT A DICK, really Justin my dear...do you kiss your mother with that mouth....
I love you Mick
Momma
Tao's self promotion tactics are a sign of strong ambition and most of all his all around genius. Its one of his more redeeming qualities. I probably wouldn't give him the time of day if he wasn't a genius.
That is partly because I'm a total genius and I only give other geniuses the time of day. Everyone else is worthless and boring.
-and-
Since when is being full of yourself a bad thing? This is news to me.
Momma:
I don't know Justin Rands but he sometimes comments on my blog. I must say I love his comment here. Its straight forward and to the point. Hitting the NAIL on the HEAD because you can never have enough FUCKS in one paragraph.
Momma: Thanks.
Ellen: What NAIL? The one where I wrote a book? He had no point in his comment at all. It's a vulgar waste of space. He asked me to do something I already did and am doing again. Is EAT A DICK a philosophical standpoint? Or is the point where he makes claims about a person he doesn't know?
eat a dick fagtron
also, consume lots of penis.
'eat a dick' is concrete at least, it can be accomplished, is direct, and makes no value judgements
That little excerpt from your 'novel' sounds exactly like Cormac's The Road. Come on man. Really? That shit sucks. The Land? Ha. And why did you delete Tao's comment? Seems as though you're scared of Lin. Overall I really think you're just jealous. Someone wrote a book and there is a following. Just because a handful of writers are getting influenced doesn't mean the rest of the literature world in the future is going to be this way. And for your information my keyboard was stuck in caps last night and I have an eye infection which requires me to wear my sunglasses at all times. Even while I sleep and take a shower. I've wrote enough now. No one is going to win any arguement against you because you are blinded by your own 'ambition' and what you think 'good' and 'bad' 'are' in 'literature'. It's just words brotha. Get over it. No one likes temper tantrums.
Zach: Yeah, I expected that from you.
Gene: This isn't a matter of polish. You can't polish shit.
I'm not angry at these people. I was angry about a fictional book deal for a movement of literature that I thought was completely vapid.
Tao: I'd never thought of it that way before. I think that value is implied, however.
To the people who want to see me eat dicks: So, you all want me to eat a dick or many dicks. Maybe a bag full. I'll take that under consideration. But first you need to tell me where you buy your dicks. It sounds like an expensive hobby. I could use your expertise.
Justin: Sorry, we cross-commented. I'm glad you got your keyboard fixed. I hope your eye infection clears up. If you look closely, you'll see that the comment was removed by the author. I'm not the author of Tao Lin's comment. And right above yours is another of his.
I didn't actually like The Road very much. But I agree, because McCarthy is a huge influence on me.
If you'd been paying attention, you'd see I actually confessed to being jealous in the post. So, yeah, I am.
I have no 'ambition' in regards to this topic. I don't even have unquoted ambition. You're probably correct in assuming that you won't win an argument with me, because we're discussing opinion. I'm not going to change your mind, either.
someone should organize an event where cormac mccarthy and oprah fly helicopters to ohio and detonate bombs on noah's house as he's sitting in his bedroom writing on a dry-erase board about organic gardening
"I was angry about a fictional book deal for a movement of literature that I thought was completely vapid."
Your so gutwrenchingly witty and 'sane' it makes me want to throw up.
Tao: I don't think helicopters drop bombs. They use rockets.
Gene: Yep. That's what I said.
Justin: You're not worth getting "insane" over.
guys, this is his Heart's Porch.
CAN'T A HEART SIT ON A PORCH?
CAN'T A HEART WRITE HEARTWARMING EXCERPTS OF HEARTWARMING NOVELS AND POST THEM ON THE SIDEBAR OF THEIR BLOG?
CAN'T A HEART GET PEEVED BY RUMORS OF SUCCESS WHEN HE'S CLEARLY WORKED SO HARD HIMSELF FOREVER AND EVER UNENDING ENDLESSLY ON IMITATING A SLIGHTLY MORE RESPECTED SOURCE WHO APPEARS ON MASSIVE CORPORATE TALK SHOWS AND YET STILL MAINTAINS HIS HONOR?
CAN'T A HEART QUOTE MODEST MOUSE?
Blake: Thanks. I'm glad someone's got my back. I liked your last line. Do you like Modest Mouse too?
i guess he didn't get it.
hmm.
cormac mccarthy very rarely uses sarcasm.
you should read more bear parade books. then come back in 8 years and read my above comment again.
but for now, while you are a young one, and oprah is in her second window, and the rice sits high above the working man:
CAN'T A HEART SUCK A BLACK ONE?
totally got yr back, brah. word life.
Here is an interesting link relevant to the last few comments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
As I read it, the porch is the semi-public part of the heart.
i encourage everyone to email gawker this post, the shit-talking can have another layer of shit-talking
eric: "NAIL, HEAD and FUCKS" are terms put in caps to refer to sexual activity... It has nothing to do with this post or your Cracker Barrel themed blog.
I don't give a shit about what bullshit philosophical standpoint you are coming from. Stop trying so hard to be your ideal modeled after someone elses idea of "good", who followed "the rules".
BLAKE BUTLER: I was just about to write something about this whole "my heart on a porch" thing.. but you did it so well I started laughing out loud!
Ellen: You seem easily entertained by jackasses. Maybe if I write in caps and use quotes a lot you'll like me. Hold on, let me find a convention to bash while I'm at it.
If you don't give a shit then why are you still here? Go be subversive somewhere else.
ERIK DID YOU JUST EMAIL ME PICTURES OF YOUR DICK?????
I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR DICK TODAY I'M BUSY.
TODAY I AM REREADING THE ROAD.
THEN AFTER THAT TODAY I AM GOING TO REREAD THE ROAD AND MAYBE I WILL EAT A SANDWICH WHILE MEXICANS FINISH INSTALLING THE NEW BRASS PORCH THAT I ORDERED FOR MY HEART.
THE SANDWICH IS GOING TO HAVE CHEESE ON IT I THINK.
I CAN SMELL YOUR NOVEL.
ellen you are invited to be subversive on MY heart's brass porch when the mexicans get finished.
nice shit talking everyone.
i think what tao and zachary and noah write is important. we should be supporting young artists, not shit talking them or questioning their "movement." what the fuck.
...back to sucking dicks
Judgments of quality aside, many people posting here in "defense" of Tao could stand to be a lot less obnoxious about it. A club doesn't look all that appealing if most of its members are acting like assholes. "eat a dick fagtron" is some feeble-minded shit. And you can like/follow/imitate a writer without adopting an "us against the world" attitude toward all other types of writing.
For what it's worth, Eric, it might be worth your time sometime to read Noah Cicero's Treatise. You can download it for free on lulu.com so it's no skin off your back, and you might actually like it. (Ignore the typos; accept that Noah doesn't proofread.) Of course, possible you may hate that too. Just saying, since I particularly liked that one.
Treatise isn't on lulu anymore.
it is coming out this june in book form and with no typos from a small press.
I read Treatise and liked it for being thought provoking, though I suggested the main character have an anuerysm in the end just to put him out of his misery of being hyper perceptive with everyone being mostly idiots around him (which I admit I related to, but I'm sure a lot of people feel that way in their own right).
Reading the post and all of the comments regarding, it's obvious there is a slant going from thoughful and personal to defensive claws out punching (which I understand in regards to some aspect of human nature like cubs trying to protect their wounded mother from sticks and rocks).
Just look what an opinion can do. Free will. Curiosity. It's two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLDS, colliding demographies.
I think having role models is wonderful, in case the family or environment you come from is very dysfunctional or even just unrelatable from generation gaps.
I'm going to generalize here and say I try to like something about everything depending on the day and my mood, and when I was younger (I'm 31) in my early twenties I noticed it was REALLY important to like things as they were new and rebellious, but now I can relax and like what I like without worrying about trends, and I wish I'd known that then when there was so much pressure to be the first at something, to own some new cool movement or style for young people who feel alienated from cookie cutter crowds.
I can say knowing that, that I can appreciate Tao Lin for this baby he's birthed, honing it into some young intellectual slacker movement, which has rippled pretty well for the sake of variety. I like variety. I like surpise. Technical profiency too, even when showcased creatively in some nothing afternoon of loneliness.
I like classics too. I liked the Bell Jar, and Old Man in the Sea with its lions in beaches in sleep.
Look at all the people who like Picasso. This isn't even half as bad.
I'm with Nick. I'll try to get Blake B.'s "suck a black one" and Zachary G.'s "eat a dick fagtron" and Ellen K.'s "cracker" out of my head the next time I read a poem or story by them, same way I try to when listening to Elvis Costello knowing that he called James Brown a "jive-ass nigger."
Heeee Hee Heee
This post was very well constructed; the comments are hilarious and at least as interesting as the post.
Don DeLillo is a boring writer; his characters are boring.
That's my one critical comment.
I can understand all the critical comments on the "New Minimalist" writers, but all I care about is if I read their stuff, whether it be Tao, Noah, Zachary, or others, including Ellen Kennedy (who is 97% awesome), and feel good or different, or see the world in a different way which I haven't before, or feel love or empathy or something, for animals or people.
I don't really care if it is "good" literature or not, or if it appeals to people who read Don DeLillo or other widely accepted writers.
I agree that the writers I mentioned will not be writing this kind of thing in 5 years but I don't care about that either.
A big factor in the kind of thing they are writing is the web (what people call the internet), and THAT is interesting, and qualifies as new and unique in writing, and the history of writing, and LITERATURE.
I like a lot of Tao's short stuff, and Ellen Kennedy's short stuff, and other stuff on Bear Parade.
I also like Look Homeward, Angel and other novels like that, which are considered classics. I don't know what else to TYPE; I would just say good art is in the eye of the beholder, unless you are an art critic and need to make money by being an art critic.
I see some value in almost everything everyone has said here; I am not equivocating, I swear.
I like when Dorothy sings Over The Rainbow in the Wizard Of Oz; I think that is good art.
Look, I don't have time to read all these comments, and I know I'm late to this party. Sorry. But I just want to say that I'm over 30 and I was more impressed with "Eat When You Feel Sad" than I was with a lot of other things during the month that I read it.
It doesn't really beg comparison to ZZ Packer and whoever. That's kind of an irrelevant line of inquiry.
I'm glad all you fagtrons are talking about this stuff.
Now I have to go type the longest word verification ever.
ellen kennedy hasn't commented here, blake butler's 'suck a black one' was in parody or satire or something of someone else talking about eating penises, i think, and zachary german's 'eat a dick fagtron' was funny to me in this context
it's like a group of football players in high school going to some weird lonely depressed person who likes dennis cooper a lot and shit-talking that person a lot and then that person telling the football players to 'eat a dick fagtron'
No it isn't, Tao, and you know it. You're afraid to call out your homophobic friend(s).
i don't approve of calling people faggots, i'm not sure about 'fagtron' in certain contexts, i say worse words than 'faggot' sometimes but in certain contexts where it actually reduces pain and suffering
it depends
cultstatus, come talk shit on my blog
Really Tao? I should note that Zachary German, who I've never met or communicated with, is now posting on my blog that I am a faggot.
he typed that as a 'joke' just to show me on the screen then i accidentally pushed 'enter' or something
read a comment on zachary's blog from slatted light, he was able to articulate something maybe
http://www.zacharygerman.com/
You are completely dishonest, Tao. Come on. How fucking silly does that sound? You had to be laughing when you typed that shit above.
"it's like a group of football players in high school going to some weird lonely depressed person who likes dennis cooper a lot and shit-talking that person a lot and then that person telling the football players to 'eat a dick fagtron'"
First of all you know that's a bizarre and dishonest analogy. The thread above does sound like high school. But it's more like a bunch of cool/hip/sometimes poseur kids in high school heard that some random kid who wasn't popular and who they never heard of was saying to his friends that he didn't think they were cool at all. So they went and stood in a big circle and yelled "faggot" and "fagtron" and "cracker" and "square" at him while pointing out how cool they were. Even though part of what they were saying about how cool they were was a lie (the FSG thing). That's you and your friends, Tao. The cool kids and the bullies. Who then say they were being ironic when they yelled faggot.
You're too gutless to acknowledge that your friends behaved like sleazy high school bullies. Any reasonable person reading the above would agree that that's how they behaved. I don't know you personally, bro, but this shows at least one aspect of what kind of person you are.
And that Zachary German typed "faggot" to show you something and accidentally hit send... right.
I find it highly entertaining that TL and ZG find these posts to be "defendable", would they be so quick to defend them in the mainstream where there books are sitting on a shelf.
To throw yourself down to a level of juvenile name calling cries "look at me" not look at my work...and I for one would never be able to overlook faggot, and cracker comments even if the those in question appeared on my doorstep spouting golden prose worthy of a pulitzer.
Love,
Momma
It's very funny to compare Tao and his friends to high school bullies.
CultStatus is a boring screen name.
Tao: It is true that Ellen Kennedy has not commented here. That was not a lie.
CultStatus: How can you call Tao "bro" when you don't know him personally? I would never call him bro until I had drunk coffee with him, or mugged a homeless guy with him or something.
Even then I probably not do it.
My word verification was hrgyqbml.
i didn't defend anything except people getting shit-talked
i defend people when they get shit-talked
'eat a dick fagtron' in this context is more complex than a high schooler calling another kid a faggot
shit-talking, abstractions, arbitrary nature of the universe, pain and suffering, serious literature, go read my interviews and blog for more information
Thanks for clarifying, Tao. I'm trying to picture it. Shortly after I saw you at the Melville House reading, you and Zachary German were at a computer and happened to go to my blog, and Zachary German wanted to show you the words "You are a faggot," referring to me? And you accidentally reached over and pressed enter, thus accidentally posting "You are a faggot" to my blog? Do I have that right?
my grandfather reads tao lin poems with his gateway2000 and a dialup internet connection. this is true. sometimes i call him to say hi and the line is busy. i leave a message and he calls me back an hour later and then we talk for exactly one hour about three tao lin poems: whale poem, bear poem, and one-armed midget.
okay, so that only happened once, but it did happen. it was last thanksgiving. i was eating dinner at my other grandparents' house and i felt bad for my grandfather who was by himself. i called him and the line was busy. i left a message. when he called me back, he told me that the oven had broken in his kitchen and that he had to order from boston market. this made my grandfather feel sad. he felt bored, lonely, detached, and that life was pointless. then the delivery boy knocked at the door and had forgotten a part of the order. he left to go back to the store for it, and my grandfather felt more bored, more lonely, more detached, and a greater sense of pointlessness. my grandfather signed online and read tao lin poems. he told me later that these poems alleviated the feelings of boredom, loneliness, detachment, and pointlessness until the delivery boy returned with the extra mashed potato gravy. he ate dinner and then called me back and told me this story and then we talked about those three tao lin poems for exactly one hour.
that is a nice story matthew
nick,
zachary typed what he typed in the 'leave your comment' section of your blog, not intending to post it, then showed me as a 'joke,' like 'what if i left this comment?' then on 'instinct,' as a 'joke,' i went to push 'enter,' and i don't think i really wanted to push enter but somehow i did, and it got posted, then there seemed to be no way to 'fix' it so zachary typed 'syke'
@litlover
I am Tao Lin's "Intern" because it is a joke. I mentioned that no one mentioned tao because after he left he sent a text message to Zachary asking if anyone on the panel mentioned him. That's also a joke.
We like jokes. Most of the reasons I think people dislike Tao Zachary's writing is because they don't get the joke. That's fine.
Also, I don't sound like Tao or Zachary in my writing because just because I like someone's work, doesn't mean I am going to copy it. They have their styles, which I enjoy, but I know that their's are not like mine.
Which brings me to another point:
Dear Every Writer Alive,
Stop blatantly ripping off one writer or one kind of writer (or at least try to not do that.)
Love,
Catherine Lace
ripping off an author and being influenced by an author are two totally different things...
Love,
Momma
I know I was a little slow on the uptake on this one (I put off getting a google account for years), but I thought I had to put in my two cents. I read much of German's e-book, and while it wasn't to my taste, I can recognize some good in it, maybe for a younger audience. However, there is nothing good that I can recognize in... well, I won't even repeat what german says above! Has he never heard of freedom of speech?
On a serious note, I've been silently poking my head in on your blog's development these past couple months, and I have to say right on Erik. I look forward to reading "My Heart's Porch" for many months to come.
And hey, look on the bright side, if my calculations are correct this comment will make 86 on a single post! Not too shabby!
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